The_King Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XianGe Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Wait for pinky to get his jab 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates469bc Posted December 20, 2020 Author Share Posted December 20, 2020 mRNA tech sounds good in theory but is it really safe????? now to understand mRNA tech, think of it as using an mRNA code to trigger a response in the immunity system. but the drawback of such a response is possible over-reaction. this is why there r reports of vaccine anaphylaxis in the wuhan vaccines. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-do-mrna-vaccines-work#Addressing-stability-and-safety this scientist found that using a slightly altered mRNA string can overcome this over-reaction but can it overcome all possible over-reaction???? https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-do-mrna-vaccines-work#Addressing-stability-and-safety even scientists dont know the lt implication of using mRNA vaccines becos of limited data. https://www.jpost.com/health-science/could-an-mrna-vaccine-be-dangerous-in-the-long-term-649253 https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/journal-scans/2020/12/14/18/58/safety-and-efficacy-of-the-bnt162b2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbird Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, socrates469bc said: mRNA tech sounds good in theory but is it really safe????? now to understand mRNA tech, think of it as using an mRNA code to trigger a response in the immunity system. but the drawback of such a response is possible over-reaction. this is why there r reports of vaccine anaphylaxis in the wuhan vaccines. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-do-mrna-vaccines-work#Addressing-stability-and-safety this scientist found that using a slightly altered mRNA string can overcome this over-reaction but can it overcome all possible over-reaction???? https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-do-mrna-vaccines-work#Addressing-stability-and-safety even scientists dont know the lt implication of using mRNA vaccines becos of limited data. https://www.jpost.com/health-science/could-an-mrna-vaccine-be-dangerous-in-the-long-term-649253 https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/journal-scans/2020/12/14/18/58/safety-and-efficacy-of-the-bnt162b2 What ever technique that is used without full trial process and procedures, those that takes it are just one of the live trial test "rats"! The world will go into a live human trial in place of lab mice for C19 vaccines! The biggest winner will be the manufactures! and the Biggest Losers Will be those who suffers from the long term side effects Edited December 20, 2020 by Bigbird 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_King Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, socrates469bc said: mRNA tech sounds good in theory but is it really safe????? now to understand mRNA tech, think of it as using an mRNA code to trigger a response in the immunity system. but the drawback of such a response is possible over-reaction. this is why there r reports of vaccine anaphylaxis in the wuhan vaccines. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-do-mrna-vaccines-work#Addressing-stability-and-safety this scientist found that using a slightly altered mRNA string can overcome this over-reaction but can it overcome all possible over-reaction???? https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-do-mrna-vaccines-work#Addressing-stability-and-safety even scientists dont know the lt implication of using mRNA vaccines becos of limited data. https://www.jpost.com/health-science/could-an-mrna-vaccine-be-dangerous-in-the-long-term-649253 https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/journal-scans/2020/12/14/18/58/safety-and-efficacy-of-the-bnt162b2 if the ceo inject for him and all his family member then i believe it safe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbird Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) FYI For those who have taken any medication or drugs and suffered Adverse Side Effects, should report to any Drs or Pharmacists! HSA requires a Adverse Event Report (AER) to be made and submitted! HSA Adverse Event Reporting Form If you have any questions, you may call the Vigilance and Compliance Branch at 68661111 or email us at [email protected]. Report adverse events It is important to report adverse events associated with health products. Find out how to report them to HSA. https://www.hsa.gov.sg/adverse-events/healthcare-professionals'-guide-to-adverse-events-reporting Edited December 20, 2020 by Bigbird 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates469bc Posted December 20, 2020 Author Share Posted December 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, Bigbird said: What ever technique that is used without full trial process and procedures, those that takes it are just one of the live trial test "rats"! The world will go into a live human trial in place of lab mice for C19 vaccines! The biggest winner will be the manufactures! and the Biggest Losers Will be those who suffers from the long term side effects 5 minutes ago, The_King said: if the ceo inject for him and all his family member then i believe it safe thats why give me foc, i also dont want. nb, who pays for my medical bills if suay suay i get over-reaction???? most important part is that all the makers dont confirm whether the participants r intentionally exposed to wuhan during the trials. if the participants r not intentionally exposed to wuhan during the trials, how u know the vaccine is effective????? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbird Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, socrates469bc said: thats why give me foc, i also dont want. nb, who pays for my medical bills if suay suay i get over-reaction???? most important part is that all the makers dont confirm whether the participants r intentionally exposed to wuhan during the trials. if the participants r not intentionally exposed to wuhan during the trials, how u know the vaccine is effective????? I wont even bother about whether the trial participants are expose or not to the virus! My common sense tells me for the past 50 yrs medical process for drug approvals have been establish for a reason to avoid any long term side effects! Now this c19 vaccine has cut short many Safe Guards that were put in place for a reason! I will not join the line, whoever wants can have my share! Ps Common sense also tells you why u should not build on top of newly reclaimed land! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_King Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) new variant of covid 19 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/covid-19-uk-action-new-strain-spreads-more-quickly-13806872 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-20/u-k-s-hancock-says-new-covid-mutatation-is-out-of-control https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/belgium-suspends-flights-trains-from-britain-over-virus-variant-germany-also Edited December 20, 2020 by The_King 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_King Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 so do the vaccine protect again the new variant of covid 19 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates469bc Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Bigbird said: I wont even bother about whether the trial participants are expose or not to the virus! My common sense tells me for the past 50 yrs medical process for drug approvals have been establish for a reason to avoid any long term side effects! Now this c19 vaccine has cut short many Safe Guards that were put in place for a reason! I will not join the line, whoever wants can have my share! Ps Common sense also tells you why u should not build on top of newly reclaimed land! exactly. and the most important safe guard being modified is the shortening of time required for phrase 3 and 4 of clinical trial which r used to evaluate efficacy and safety. and these clinical trials r only for safety and efficacy purposes, not for effectiveness. https://www.nccn.org/patients/resources/clinical_trials/phases.aspx https://vaccine-safety-training.org/pre-licensure-vaccine-safety.html and the only way to test for effectiveness & safety of a vaccine is to carry out either carry out a monkey trial, where trial data r still not released for verification, or a human trial. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/saying-human-trials-arent-enough-researchers-call-comparison-covid-19-vaccines-monkeys thats why the medical loctors u talked to r diam diam abt using the vaccine while my gp, an old uncle of nearly 70+, told me he is not going to take it. nb, the govt and makers really think i bo study biology. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates469bc Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, The_King said: so do the vaccine protect again the new variant of covid 19 theoretically, any vaccine using mRNA technology shld be effective as it is using the base mRNA code of the virus to generate response. so as long as the base mRNA code of the virus remains recognizable, the vaccine shld work in theory. however, no monkey trial and no human trial, no talk!!!!!! Edited December 21, 2020 by socrates469bc 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbird Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 14 hours ago, socrates469bc said: theoretically, any vaccine using mRNA technology shld be effective as it is using the base mRNA code of the virus to generate response. so as long as the base mRNA code of the virus remains recognizable, the vaccine shld work in theory. however, no monkey trial and no human trial, no talk!!!!!! Got fast track human trial & its start now! U all who are taking it are part of the human trials! The outcome of the mass human vaccination "trials" on going will be kept very confidential. Dont worry u are just 1 of the guinea pigs aka test rats! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates469bc Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, Bigbird said: Got fast track human trial & its start now! U all who are taking it are part of the human trials! The outcome of the mass human vaccination "trials" on going will be kept very confidential. Dont worry u are just 1 of the guinea pigs aka test rats! u just brought up a moral dilemma which i find the mainstream media to be very hypocrite. nb, the vaccine has not undergone a full human trial or proven 100% effective but mainstream media say it is safe and effective. isnt using mass vaccination of a largely unproven vaccine similar to just injecting a feel-good placebo????? more people r going to die from it and wont be reported. https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/11/17/21540773/covid-19-vaccine-human-challenge-trial-ethics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates469bc Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 this article really beautify loong loong's leadership and say it is fault of the people. nb, reuters really think sgp no people study biology b4. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-singapore-vaccine/covid-19-vaccine-stirs-rare-hesitation-in-nearly-virus-free-singapore-idUSKBN28X0BP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbird Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 12:04 AM, socrates469bc said: u just brought up a moral dilemma which i find the mainstream media to be very hypocrite. nb, the vaccine has not undergone a full human trial or proven 100% effective but mainstream media say it is safe and effective. isnt using mass vaccination of a largely unproven vaccine similar to just injecting a feel-good placebo????? more people r going to die from it and wont be reported. https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/11/17/21540773/covid-19-vaccine-human-challenge-trial-ethics Let me related to u a true story. I once mentioned that those who cheat or steal, i hope they sleep well at night! This person has been cheated by ex spouse who wanted a loan to start business. But as we all know, the ending! So this person response was that those who cheats do sleeps very well every night! i then thought to myself, yes they do sleep very well every night! I was misled that they dont! So coming back to moral dilemmas, unfortunately..... very very very few would bother about it! So there's no such thing as "Moral Obligation"! These guys are Army Generals not priests! They wouldnt blink an eye to throw you kids to die in battle while saving themselves far away! It's more about saving oneself 1st!! KPI to a better position! I dont see any Mini-ster resign or "hari-kiri" when they made a mistake like other countries mini-sters! p.s thanks for the video. It a good after thought though! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbird Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, socrates469bc said: this article really beautify loong loong's leadership and say it is fault of the people. nb, reuters really think sgp no people study biology b4. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-singapore-vaccine/covid-19-vaccine-stirs-rare-hesitation-in-nearly-virus-free-singapore-idUSKBN28X0BP Quote A poll by local newspaper The Straits Times in early December found that 48% of respondents said they will get a vaccine when it is available and 34% will wait six to 12 months. Quote Even three nurses told Reuters under the condition of anonymity that they would prefer not to take the vaccine. It's good that these 34% (must be Oppo) have thought through it a little! Its Voluntary to take the vaccine because of avoiding Legal Issues! Your HEALTH is YOUR Responsibility! Edited December 23, 2020 by Bigbird 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbird Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK0C5tFHze8 For those who are interested. This is another good video explaining about Safety, Immunity, RNA Production! But u need to be sharp to read Body language and read between the lines hor! Edited December 23, 2020 by Bigbird 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates469bc Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 12 hours ago, Bigbird said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK0C5tFHze8 For those who are interested. This is another good video explaining about Safety, Immunity, RNA Production! But u need to be sharp to read Body language and read between the lines hor! he explain the theory well but he also cover his pigu by saying that he has no historical reference point on how well the mRNA vaccines will work thruout the interview. he also neglects to mention the fact that the time for phrase 3 and 4, which is large sample observation, has a much shortened time period to allow effective data collection to gauge how long and effective the vaccine is. thats why he only mentioned efficacy, which is different from effectiveness. nb, if i m the interviewer, i will ask him why no makers carry on a human trial to test for effectiveness. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbird Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 13 hours ago, socrates469bc said: he explain the theory well but he also cover his pigu by saying that he has no historical reference point on how well the mRNA vaccines will work thruout the interview. he also neglects to mention the fact that the time for phrase 3 and 4, which is large sample observation, has a much shortened time period to allow effective data collection to gauge how long and effective the vaccine is. thats why he only mentioned efficacy, which is different from effectiveness. nb, if i m the interviewer, i will ask him why no makers carry on a human trial to test for effectiveness. The Prof is researcher in Immunology which in more ways then 1 related to finding & identifying pathogens & providing a solution to it! So he wont kill his career! His body language tells us he rather uncomfortable in saying more, but he's good in hiding it! We just need to create more Critical thinking skills here to help ourselves & make inform decisions! Otherwise, we will be misled by the MIWs! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbird Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 US doctor has severe allergic reaction to Moderna COVID vaccine: New York Times December 26, 2020 https://www.asiaone.com/world/us-doctor-has-severe-allergic-reaction-moderna-covid-vaccine-new-york-times Quote A doctor in Boston with a shellfish allergy developed a severe allergic reaction after receiving Moderna’s coronavirus vaccine on Thursday, the New York Times reported on Friday, citing the doctor. Dr Hossein Sadrzadeh, a geriatric oncology fellow at Boston Medical Center, said he had a severe reaction almost immediately after being vaccinated, feeling dizzy and with a racing heart, the NYT reported. It is the first severe reaction publicly linked to Moderna’s vaccine, which is in its first week of a nationwide rollout. David Kibbe, a spokesman at the Boston Medical Center, said in a statement on Friday that Dr Sadrzadeh “felt he was developing an allergic reaction and was allowed to self-administer his personal epi-pen. He was taken to the Emergency Department, evaluated, treated, observed and discharged. He is doing well today.” A U.S. Food and Drug Administration official said last week that the FDA is investigating around five allergic reactions that occurred after people were administered Pfizer Inc and BioNTech SE’s Covid-19 vaccine in the United States. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbird Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 US doctor has severe allergic reaction to Moderna COVID vaccine: New York Times This tells us everyday every person who takes the vaccine becomes a "guinea pig", They will maybe thank u for your contribution to medical science! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates469bc Posted December 26, 2020 Author Share Posted December 26, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Bigbird said: US doctor has severe allergic reaction to Moderna COVID vaccine: New York Times This tells us everyday every person who takes the vaccine becomes a "guinea pig", They will maybe thank u for your contribution to medical science! nb, i no phd in medical science alrdy know mRNA technology is inherently unstable. this inherent instability stems from the fact the theory of mRNA technology is based on using mRNA code to trigger a response and this response may be over-reaction in some cases as the human body maybe mislead into believing that more antibodies is needed when it is alrdy sufficient as there is no targeted inactivated/weakened virus which will tell the body to stop. and due to differences in genetics, isolation of one mRNA may not be a one-size-fits-all. the makers really think people bo study biology and cannot think logically. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html Edited December 26, 2020 by socrates469bc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbird Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Implications of the Emerging SARS-CoV-2 Variant VOC 202012/01 https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/scientific-brief-emerging-variant.html Updated Dec. 22, 2020 Read more from above link. Quote What about the other mutations in this variant of SARS-CoV-2? SARS-CoV-2 mutates regularly, acquiring about one new mutation in its genome every two weeks. Many mutations are silent (i.e., cause no change in the structure of the proteins they encode) because they produce a three-letter codon that translates to the same amino acid (i.e., they are “synonymous”). Other mutations may change the codon in a way that leads to an amino acid change (i.e., they are “non-synonymous”), but this amino acid substitution does not impact the protein’s function. VOC 202012/01 has 14 non-synonymous (amino acid [AA] altering) mutations, 6 synonymous (non-AA altering), and 3 deletions, notably including Quote What implications could the emergence of new variants have? Among the potential consequences of these mutations are the following: Ability to spread more quickly in humans. There is already evidence that one mutation, D614G, has this property to spread more quickly. In the lab, G614 variants propagate more quickly in human respiratory epithelial cells, out-competing D614 viruses. There also is evidence that the G614 variant spreads more quickly than viruses without the mutation. Ability to cause either milder or more severe disease in humans. There is no evidence that VOC 202012/01 produces more severe illness than other SARS-CoV-2 variants. Ability to evade detection by specific diagnostic tests. Most commercial polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests have multiple targets to detect the virus, such that even if a mutation impacts one of the targets, the other PCR targets will still work. Decreased susceptibility to therapeutic agents such as monoclonal antibodies. Ability to evade vaccine-induced immunity. FDA-authorized vaccines are “polyclonal,” producing antibodies that target several parts of the spike protein. The virus would likely need to accumulate multiple mutations in the spike protein to evade immunity induced by vaccines or by natural infection. Among these possibilities, the last—the ability to evade vaccine-induced immunity—would likely be the most concerning because once a large proportion of the population is vaccinated, there will be immune pressure that could favor and accelerate emergence of such variants by selecting for “escape mutants.” There is no evidence that this is occurring, and most experts believe escape mutants are unlikely to emerge because of the nature of the virus. My observation: 1 New Mutation/Week! The C19 virus seems to have an "Artificial Intelligence" that can evolve quickly to respond to new changes for the virus to survive! Using "Flu Type A" as an example, H1N1 alone 16 different types of HA and 9 different types of NA, therefore, there are potentially 144 different subtypes of influenza A viruses. Therefore, even if u have taken Flu vaccine yearly, your chance of NOT have flu is ~30% (based on USA CDC stats)! Am not debating on whether the C19 mutation (~1 mutation/week) are stronger or weaker, but medical science are playing catch-up and will be overwhelm with different geography mutations. Areas such as Africa, Central Euro, Vietnam, Cambodia, S America.... have poor medical monitoring & controls, therefore, potentially these are hot spots which will be overlooked! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbird Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 BTW Have Patient 0 been found? Where is Patient 0 from? Dont they need to identify the root viral RNA & DNA? Any idea? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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