not fake news: pfzier's wuhan vaccine may cause immune system over-reaction in some!!!!!!

[socrates469bc]

the masses like randomized suicides, so why stop them???????

 

wahahahahaha

 

 

[The_King]

Top Chinese official admits vaccines have low effectiveness

 

BEIJING (AP) — China’s top disease control official, in a rare acknowledgement, said current vaccines offer low protection against the coronavirus and mixing them is among strategies being considered to boost their effectiveness.

China has distributed hundreds of millions of doses of domestically made vaccines abroad and is relying on them for its own mass immunization campaign.

But the director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, Gao Fu, said at a conference Saturday their efficacy rates needed improving.

“We will solve the issue that current vaccines don’t have very high protection rates,” Gao said in a presentation on Chinese COVID-19 vaccines and immunization strategies at a conference in the southwestern city of Chengdu. “It’s now under consideration whether we should use different vaccines from different technical lines for the immunization process.”

 

He also praised the benefits of mRNA vaccines, the technology behind the two vaccines seen as the most effective, Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, months after questioning whether the then-unproven method was safe.

In a message to The Associated Press, Gao said late Sunday night he was speaking about the effectiveness rates for “vaccines in the world, not particularly for China.” He did not respond to further questions about which vaccines he was referring to.

 

He directed the AP to an interview he did with the state-owned Global Times, which has published several articles raising doubts about the safety of Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine. Gao was quoted by the outlet Sunday as saying he was misunderstood and merely talking in general terms about improving vaccine efficacy.

Beijing earlier tried to promote doubt about the effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, which uses genetic code called messenger RNA, or mRNA, to prime the immune system.

Health officials at a news conference Sunday didn’t respond directly to questions about Gao’s comment or about possible changes in official plans. But another CDC official said Chinese developers are working on mRNA-based vaccines.

“The mRNA vaccines developed in our country have also entered the clinical trial stage,” said the official, Wang Huaqing. He gave no timeline for possible use.

Experts say mixing vaccines, or sequential immunization, might boost effectiveness. Researchers in Britain are studying a possible combination of Pfizer-BioNTech and the AstraZeneca vaccine.

Gao concluded his presentation Saturday with praise for mRNA vaccines and called for innovation in research.

“Everyone should consider the benefits mRNA vaccines can bring for humanity,” Gao said. “We must follow it carefully and not ignore it just because we already have several types of vaccines already.”

Gao previously questioned the safety of mRNA vaccines. He was quoted by the official Xinhua News Agency as saying in December he couldn’t rule out negative side effects because they were being used for the first time on healthy people, saying “there is a safety concern.”

Chinese state media and popular health and science blogs also questioned the safety and effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, though large-scale trials and the rollout of the vaccines in the U.S. have established its safety.

China currently has five vaccines in use in its mass immunization campaign, three inactivated-virus vaccines from Sinovac and Sinopharm, a one-shot vaccine from CanSino, and the last from Gao’s team in partnership with Anhui Zhifei Longcom.

The effectiveness of the vaccines range from just over 50% to 79%, based on what the companies have said.

The shot from Gao’s team, was given emergency use approval a month ago, and has not publicly disclosed data yet about its efficacy.

Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines, which are primarily being used in developed countries, have both been shown to be about 95% in protecting against COVID-19 in studies.

As of April 2, some 34 million people in China have received the full two doses of Chinese vaccines and about 65 million received one, according to Gao.

Full Coverage: Coronavirus vaccine

Globally, public health experts have said that any vaccine that is 50% effective would be useful, and many governments have been eager to use Chinese vaccines as rich countries around the world have snapped up shots from Pfizer and Moderna.

WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreysus said Friday that while one in four people in rich countries had received a vaccine, only one in 500 people in poorer countries had gotten a dose.

The coronavirus pandemic, which was first detected in central China in late 2019, marks the first time the Chinese drug industry has played a role in responding to a global health emergency.

Vaccines made by Sinovac, a private company, and Sinopharm, a state-owned firm, have made up the majority of Chinese vaccines distributed to several dozen countries including Mexico, Turkey, Indonesia, Hungary, Brazil and Turkey.

However, the companies have not publicly published peer-reviewed data on the final stage clinical trial research and been criticized for a lack of transparency.

Sinovac’s vaccine, for example, raised concerns when it was found to have different efficacy rates from each of the trials it conducted in different countries, ranging from around 50% to over 83%.

A Sinovac spokesman, Liu Peicheng, acknowledged varying levels of effectiveness have been found but said that can be due to the age of people in a study, the strain of virus and other factors.

Beijing has yet to approve any foreign vaccines for use in mainland China.

The Sinovac spokesman, Liu, said studies find protection “may be better” if time between vaccinations is longer than the current 14 days but gave no indication that might be made standard practice.

 

 

https://apnews.com/article/china-gao-fu-vaccines-offer-low-protection-coronavirus-675bcb6b5710c7329823148ffbff6ef9

[socrates469bc]

9 hours ago, The_King said:

Top Chinese official admits vaccines have low effectiveness

 

BEIJING (AP) — China’s top disease control official, in a rare acknowledgement, said current vaccines offer low protection against the coronavirus and mixing them is among strategies being considered to boost their effectiveness.

China has distributed hundreds of millions of doses of domestically made vaccines abroad and is relying on them for its own mass immunization campaign.

But the director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, Gao Fu, said at a conference Saturday their efficacy rates needed improving.

“We will solve the issue that current vaccines don’t have very high protection rates,” Gao said in a presentation on Chinese COVID-19 vaccines and immunization strategies at a conference in the southwestern city of Chengdu. “It’s now under consideration whether we should use different vaccines from different technical lines for the immunization process.”

 

He also praised the benefits of mRNA vaccines, the technology behind the two vaccines seen as the most effective, Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, months after questioning whether the then-unproven method was safe.

In a message to The Associated Press, Gao said late Sunday night he was speaking about the effectiveness rates for “vaccines in the world, not particularly for China.” He did not respond to further questions about which vaccines he was referring to.

 

He directed the AP to an interview he did with the state-owned Global Times, which has published several articles raising doubts about the safety of Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine. Gao was quoted by the outlet Sunday as saying he was misunderstood and merely talking in general terms about improving vaccine efficacy.

Beijing earlier tried to promote doubt about the effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, which uses genetic code called messenger RNA, or mRNA, to prime the immune system.

Health officials at a news conference Sunday didn’t respond directly to questions about Gao’s comment or about possible changes in official plans. But another CDC official said Chinese developers are working on mRNA-based vaccines.

“The mRNA vaccines developed in our country have also entered the clinical trial stage,” said the official, Wang Huaqing. He gave no timeline for possible use.

Experts say mixing vaccines, or sequential immunization, might boost effectiveness. Researchers in Britain are studying a possible combination of Pfizer-BioNTech and the AstraZeneca vaccine.

Gao concluded his presentation Saturday with praise for mRNA vaccines and called for innovation in research.

“Everyone should consider the benefits mRNA vaccines can bring for humanity,” Gao said. “We must follow it carefully and not ignore it just because we already have several types of vaccines already.”

Gao previously questioned the safety of mRNA vaccines. He was quoted by the official Xinhua News Agency as saying in December he couldn’t rule out negative side effects because they were being used for the first time on healthy people, saying “there is a safety concern.”

Chinese state media and popular health and science blogs also questioned the safety and effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, though large-scale trials and the rollout of the vaccines in the U.S. have established its safety.

China currently has five vaccines in use in its mass immunization campaign, three inactivated-virus vaccines from Sinovac and Sinopharm, a one-shot vaccine from CanSino, and the last from Gao’s team in partnership with Anhui Zhifei Longcom.

The effectiveness of the vaccines range from just over 50% to 79%, based on what the companies have said.

The shot from Gao’s team, was given emergency use approval a month ago, and has not publicly disclosed data yet about its efficacy.

Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines, which are primarily being used in developed countries, have both been shown to be about 95% in protecting against COVID-19 in studies.

As of April 2, some 34 million people in China have received the full two doses of Chinese vaccines and about 65 million received one, according to Gao.

Full Coverage: Coronavirus vaccine

Globally, public health experts have said that any vaccine that is 50% effective would be useful, and many governments have been eager to use Chinese vaccines as rich countries around the world have snapped up shots from Pfizer and Moderna.

WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreysus said Friday that while one in four people in rich countries had received a vaccine, only one in 500 people in poorer countries had gotten a dose.

The coronavirus pandemic, which was first detected in central China in late 2019, marks the first time the Chinese drug industry has played a role in responding to a global health emergency.

Vaccines made by Sinovac, a private company, and Sinopharm, a state-owned firm, have made up the majority of Chinese vaccines distributed to several dozen countries including Mexico, Turkey, Indonesia, Hungary, Brazil and Turkey.

However, the companies have not publicly published peer-reviewed data on the final stage clinical trial research and been criticized for a lack of transparency.

Sinovac’s vaccine, for example, raised concerns when it was found to have different efficacy rates from each of the trials it conducted in different countries, ranging from around 50% to over 83%.

A Sinovac spokesman, Liu Peicheng, acknowledged varying levels of effectiveness have been found but said that can be due to the age of people in a study, the strain of virus and other factors.

Beijing has yet to approve any foreign vaccines for use in mainland China.

The Sinovac spokesman, Liu, said studies find protection “may be better” if time between vaccinations is longer than the current 14 days but gave no indication that might be made standard practice.

 

 

https://apnews.com/article/china-gao-fu-vaccines-offer-low-protection-coronavirus-675bcb6b5710c7329823148ffbff6ef9

 

cocktail also bo use, now mutate until all vaccines useless liao.

 

wahahahhahahah

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-israel-study-idUSKBN2BX0JX

[socrates469bc]

now even j&j vaccine, supposedly the safest, also not safe.

 

wuhan virus jin sakti, mutate lai mutate qu until all vaccines cannot use.

 

wahahahhahahah

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-johnson-johnson-va/u-s-pauses-use-of-jj-vaccine-over-rare-blood-clots-rollout-delayed-in-europe-idUSKBN2C01BC

[The_King]

1 hour ago, socrates469bc said:

now even j&j vaccine, supposedly the safest, also not safe.

 

wuhan virus jin sakti, mutate lai mutate qu until all vaccines cannot use.

 

wahahahhahahah

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-johnson-johnson-va/u-s-pauses-use-of-jj-vaccine-over-rare-blood-clots-rollout-delayed-in-europe-idUSKBN2C01BC

even 10yr of trial for vaccine also cannot 100% it safe, side effect free

 

 

So who can make sure a 1yr vaccine is safe.

 

 

ppl like me got no choice, either inject or jobless

[socrates469bc]

6 hours ago, The_King said:

even 10yr of trial for vaccine also cannot 100% it safe, side effect free

 

 

So who can make sure a 1yr vaccine is safe.

 

 

ppl like me got no choice, either inject or jobless

 

i think no choice but to ask our nearest relative.

 

song bo, PETA?????

 

[The_King]

16 minutes ago, socrates469bc said:

 

i think no choice but to ask our nearest relative.

 

song bo, PETA?????

 

the  worst is those that buy china vaccine but now china got mRNA cause that know the current vaccine is useless.

 

what happen to those buy and cant even use. hahahahahahahaha.

 

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3129411/chinas-first-mrna-vaccine-ready-final-stage-trials-overseas

 

 

[socrates469bc]

45 minutes ago, The_King said:

the  worst is those that buy china vaccine but now china got mRNA cause that know the current vaccine is useless.

 

what happen to those buy and cant even use. hahahahahahahaha.

 

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3129411/chinas-first-mrna-vaccine-ready-final-stage-trials-overseas

 

 

 

best part is wuhan virus mutate lai mutate qu until use smlj technology also bo use.

 

tiagong lim atb lime juice is  safest bet.

 

wahahahahaha

[The_King]

Double  mutant huat ah

 

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/double-mutant-now-most-common-of-variantsdata-101618512310963.html

[Sofero]

https://udn.com/news/story/120944/5389570

Two preggy jabbed liao miscarriaged.

“目前未有證據顯示流產與疫苗有關”

[The_King]

https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/4/170663/Elderly-dies-10-days-after-second-vaccine-jab

[The_King]

https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/4/170663/Elderly-dies-10-days-after-second-vaccine-jab

[socrates469bc]

On 4/18/2021 at 8:26 AM, Sofero said:

https://udn.com/news/story/120944/5389570

Two preggy jabbed liao miscarriaged.

“目前未有證據顯示流產與疫苗有關”

 

thats why i said all these placebos r unstable.

 

if can cause blood clots and severe anaphylaxis with increasing frequency alrdy means the vaccine is highly unstable and unsafe for certain segments of the population.

 

i give an intelligent guess of at least 15% will have some sort of reaction and 5% will be very serious if whole population is given the placebos.

 

this is based on the fact that 30% of the population suffers from some sort of health issues ranging from severe skin allergies to heart issues while the samples in the trials were mostly based on young healthy participants.

[socrates469bc]

2 hours ago, The_King said:

https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/4/170663/Elderly-dies-10-days-after-second-vaccine-jab

 

[The_King]

18 minutes ago, socrates469bc said:

 

thats why i said all these placebos r unstable.

 

if can cause blood clots and severe anaphylaxis with increasing frequency alrdy means the vaccine is highly unstable and unsafe for certain segments of the population.

 

i give an intelligent guess of at least 15% will have some sort of reaction and 5% will be very serious if whole population is given the placebos.

 

this is based on the fact that 30% of the population suffers from some sort of health issues ranging from severe skin allergies to heart issues while the samples in the trials were mostly based on young healthy participants.

one of the problem is if kena any side effect, it always not related to the vaccine, not cause by the vaccine, there no link it cause by the vaccine etc....

 

 

those can think, will avoid unless force to

[socrates469bc]

12 minutes ago, The_King said:

one of the problem is if kena any side effect, it always not related to the vaccine, not cause by the vaccine, there no link it cause by the vaccine etc....

 

 

those can think, will avoid unless force to

 

when i check with a friend of mine doing insurance, he told me better to claim ur hospital stay from medical card than from the wuhan compensation clause since less hassle to get the claim thru.

 

if u noticed, the wuhan compensation claim will only be approved if the side effects r within 30 minutes after injection.

 

nb, smlj vaccine can be so fast acting to work within 30 minutes?

[Sofero]

"About six hours after receiving his first COVID-19 vaccination on 18 April, her 48-year-old brother-in-law started feeling “very weak and giddy”, and had to be taken to the hospital via an ambulance, said a netizen on Facebook.

 

After being admitted to Changi General Hospital, the family was informed that her brother-in-law had suffered a stroke and has lost vision in both eyes. They did not know if the loss of vision was permanent or temporary.

 

After some medical intervention, Ms Tan said that his condition continued to deteriorate...20 April, he suffered his third stroke."

 

"CGH says man’s cardiac arrest is unrelated to COVID-19 vaccination."

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2021/04/26/cgh-says-mans-cardiac-arrest-is-unrelated-to-covid-19-vaccination-family-demands-explanation-second-opinion/

[aaur4man]

On 4/27/2021 at 9:47 AM, socrates469bc said:

 

when i check with a friend of mine doing insurance, he told me better to claim ur hospital stay from medical card than from the wuhan compensation clause since less hassle to get the claim thru.

 

if u noticed, the wuhan compensation claim will only be approved if the side effects r within 30 minutes after injection.

 

nb, smlj vaccine can be so fast acting to work within 30 minutes?

 

within 30mins, u think instant noodle meh

 

the vaccine itself requires 2 jabs over a course of few weeks leh. 

[socrates469bc]

1 hour ago, Sofero said:

"About six hours after receiving his first COVID-19 vaccination on 18 April, her 48-year-old brother-in-law started feeling “very weak and giddy”, and had to be taken to the hospital via an ambulance, said a netizen on Facebook.

 

After being admitted to Changi General Hospital, the family was informed that her brother-in-law had suffered a stroke and has lost vision in both eyes. They did not know if the loss of vision was permanent or temporary.

 

After some medical intervention, Ms Tan said that his condition continued to deteriorate...20 April, he suffered his third stroke."

 

"CGH says man’s cardiac arrest is unrelated to COVID-19 vaccination."

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2021/04/26/cgh-says-mans-cardiac-arrest-is-unrelated-to-covid-19-vaccination-family-demands-explanation-second-opinion/

 

1 hour ago, aaur4man said:

 

within 30mins, u think instant noodle meh

 

the vaccine itself requires 2 jabs over a course of few weeks leh. 

 

according to moh, side effects of vaccines will be within 30 minutes hor.

 

u all r only low ses peasants, so dont question the wisdoms of future PM CryBaby, ok?????

 

https://www.moh.gov.sg/docs/librariesprovider5/vaccination-matter/moh_vaccine_brochure_eng_(3-feb).pdf

 

[Bigbird]

Bros,

Does anyone know how long does Virgra take effect???

 

@The_King 

I'm assuming u are one of the most knowledgeable ?

[The_King]

6 hours ago, Bigbird said:

Bros,

Does anyone know how long does Virgra take effect???

 

@The_King 

I'm assuming u are one of the most knowledgeable ?

30min to take effect

max peak at 45min to 1hr 15min

soft peak at 1.30min to 2hr15min

[Bigbird]

2 hours ago, The_King said:

30min to take effect

max peak at 45min to 1hr 15min

soft peak at 1.30min to 2hr15min

 

That's informative!

 

My point to the question is,  onset for most drugs is 30mins and more!

 

So someone is smart here to set the bar high so cant claim.......

 

.

 

[The_King]

2 minutes ago, Bigbird said:

 

That's informative!

 

My point to the question is,  onset for most drugs is 30mins and more!

 

So someone is smart here to set the bar high so cant claim.......

 

.

 

given how hard is to to link side effect to the drug

 

avoid if possible

[Bigbird]

13 minutes ago, The_King said:

given how hard is to to link side effect to the drug

 

avoid if possible

 

i'm not even tempted to consider claiming any!

 

My experience & instincts tells me there are many red flags!

 

I dont plan to "Walk into a Wall" and then cry mother cry father!  

 

I am very happy to let those who has the mentality of "Free just take" or "benefits outweights the risk" propaganda!

 

Am sorry for those who are force to take it! 

[socrates469bc]

17 minutes ago, Bigbird said:

 

That's informative!

 

My point to the question is,  onset for most drugs is 30mins and more!

 

So someone is smart here to set the bar high so cant claim.......

 

.

 

 

12 minutes ago, The_King said:

given how hard is to to link side effect to the drug

 

avoid if possible

 

its actually very easy as long as the data is not manipulated.

 

obviously the trial data is manipulated gao gao until no reputable medical school dare to verify it.

 

even oxford med school also dont dare to independently verify their own collaboration with astrazeneca alrdy speaks volume of the confidence in their own vaccine.