More people calling out this PAP candidate

[Satki]

money laundering cannot be an economic strategy

 

 

they want to challenge the Carribean?

 

[meng.huat]

36 minutes ago, Satki said:

 

Anyone read the LKY quote in 2009 where he says it is inevitable that oppos will be more significant 10 or at most 15 years from then?

 

Looks like prescient to me

 

 

 

LKY  predicted the future pretty well...

we are now at 5 years after his death, cracks are appearing fast and furious.

10 years PAP will struggle.

20 years... can't say....

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/singapores-future-according-to-lee-kuan-yew

 

Singapore's future according to Lee Kuan Yew

 

Q How confident are you that Singapore will survive you?

 

Mr Lee All I can say is I think Singapore is safe for 10 years. No trouble because there's a team in place that will handle it. Whether it will be 15, 20, 30 years depends on them getting a team of players very soon. Part of the team is in place but you need a leader man. You need somebody who can communicate, who can mobilise people, move people. It's not enough to have a good policy. You got to convince people.

 

Q What about beyond 10 years?

 

Mr Lee I think there will come a time when eventually the public will say, look, let's try the other side, either because the PAP has declined in quality or the opposition has put up a team which is equal to the PAP and they say, let's try the other side. It must come.

 

Q How will it happen?

 

Mr Lee It depends on when it happens and whether it happens all of a sudden or it happens gradually. If the decline in standards happens gradually, an opposition will emerge of quality. I mean, the public can sense it.

 

I think the more likely is a gradual evolution because it is most unlikely the way we have evolved the party and the renewal of the party leadership that you will get such a clash of opinions that it will divide the whole leadership, the MPs and the party machinery into two, or into one major part, one minor part.

 

Q What will happen if it takes place suddenly?

 

Mr Lee If it is sudden, well, you're landed with an emergency. In that emergency I think the people will just take somebody like me and a few of those friends and say look, let's make a bid and stop this from going down the drain.

 

Q What could possibly make it happen suddenly?

 

Mr Lee You have a rumpus in the leadership. They disagree profoundly, either for reasons of principle or personality and suddenly it breaks up... I cannot tell you what's going to be in maybe 20, 30, 40 years, not possible. We might have a genuine difference of perspective what the future should be, what kind of Singapore will survive and thrive in that future. We might have a clash. I don't know. I've lived long enough to know that nobody settles the future of his country beyond more than a decade or so of his life. Stalin grabbed the whole of eastern part of Europe, grabbed all the Asian republics right up to Siberia, took Outer Mongolia which belonged to China under his wing. That's 1945. He's dead. 1950s or -something, Khrushchev came up. 1992, it dissolved - less than 40 years. They threw up a Gorbachev who never went through a revolution, who did not know that he was sitting on a boiling cauldron.

 

Q So there's nothing that can be done to prepare us for that eventuality?

 

Mr Lee Can anybody tell you how to prevent, from getting a stroke or an accident? That you will eventually die is a certainty, right? But how you will die, nobody can tell you.

 

Q What is your greatest fear for Singapore?

 

Mr Lee I think a leadership and a people that has forgotten, that has lost its bearings and do not understand the constraints that we face. Small base, highly, technically, organised, very competent people, complete international confidence, an ability to engage the big boys. You lose that, you're down. And you can go down very rapidly...

No system lasts forever, that's for sure. Ten years, I don't think it'll happen; 20 years, I can't say; 30 years, even more I cannot tell you. Will we always be able to get the most dedicated and the most capable, with integrity to devote their lives to this? I hope so but forever, I don't know.

[Satki]

Q What will happen if it takes place suddenly?

 

Mr Lee If it is sudden, well, you're landed with an emergency. In that emergency I think the people will just take somebody like me and a few of those friends and say look, let's make a bid and stop this from going down the drain.

 

Is this implying to roll out the tanks and hold on to power like the South American countries?

[meng.huat]

Prospective PAP candidate Ivan Lim should clarify comments on his conduct, says Heng Swee Keat

The People's Action Party's (PAP) prospective new candidate Ivan Lim should come out to clarify comments made about his conduct during his time in National Service, said Deputy Prime Minister Heng Swee Keat on Saturday (Jun 27).

He was responding to questions by reporters after the PAP's morning walkabout at Teban Marketplace in West Coast GRC, where he spent over an hour speaking to residents. 

 

He was accompanied by Ms Foo Mee Har and Minister for Communications and Information S Iswaran, who were part of the PAP 2015 team in West Coast GRC.

 

“I have emphasised that character and integrity are important in our candidates, and if there are any complaints, it should be properly verified,” said Mr Heng.

 

“I would like to see Ivan himself coming out to clarify these comments so that we can hear both sides of the story.”

 

Mr Heng also said that he wanted to reach out to those people who have made comments and who have identified themselves to get a “better understanding” of the situation.

 

“It’s very important for us to address this clearly, because we expect all our candidates to be able to stand up and to be able to address any concerns that may be raised about them,” he said.

“The key is whether the individual has the heart to serve all Singaporeans.”

 

Mr Lim, a 42-year-old general manager with Keppel Offshore and Marine, has been in the spotlight after comments were made on social media criticising his behaviour as an officer during National Service.

 

They have accused him of lacking compassion and being arrogant and elitist.

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/ivan-lim-pap-candidate-comments-heng-swee-keat-12875940

 

 

ah heng telling ivan to clarify himself. ownself defend ownself.

Ivan has rejected interviews by mainstream media.

 

anyway, if PAP wants to put ivan in jurong GRC, Sinkies will be faced with a very tough choice.

voting in this asshole with Tharman or boot him and Tharman out of the cabinet.

[meng.huat]

6 minutes ago, Satki said:

Q What will happen if it takes place suddenly?

 

Mr Lee If it is sudden, well, you're landed with an emergency. In that emergency I think the people will just take somebody like me and a few of those friends and say look, let's make a bid and stop this from going down the drain.

 

Is this implying to roll out the tanks and hold on to power like the South American countries?

 

if u look at it from another angle. that's what the oppos like PSP and WP are doing. contesting for elections

[The_King]

1 hour ago, Satki said:

 

I meant well

 

I think you have reached the next level and can see the pointlessness of being

 

Anyone read the LKY quote in 2009 where he says it is inevitable that oppos will be more significant 10 or at most 15 years from then?

 

Looks like prescient to me

 

 

 

 

I can't imagine them grow their own food, depend the sun, manually powered their light or even depend on mall for their water

 

 

Still need another at least 40 yr before they wake up.

 

 

[Chestnut]

6 minutes ago, The_King said:

 

 

I can't imagine them grow their own food, depend the sun, manually powered their light or even depend on mall for their water

 

 

Still need another at least 40 yr before they wake up.

 

 

 

King, u got buy those plant lights or not?

[The_King]

1 hour ago, socrates469bc said:

 

LKY is a socialist but a pragmatic one.

 

thats why he dont support setting up a generous social welfare net as he knows that lt-wise, a generous social welfare net will cripple a small economy.

 

but he failed to realize that the minimal welfare net he set up is not sufficient to support the fringes of society.

 

GKS and HSS r the true visionaries of sgp for without both of them, the sgp economy would have remained a small entrepot economy.

 

the 2 brought sgp into the world of manufacturing and international high finance.

 

the current leaders r a joke with their casino economy.

 

i m not too optimistic that sgp can even emerge as a technological leader in sea, let alone internationally, as envisioned by ah heng in his sgd20bln speech.

 

no coherent manufacturing or technological policies were formulated since 1995 and ah heng expect sgp to narrow the gap within 5 yrs is a pipe dream.

 

even tiongland, with the whole might of its economy, is unable to close the semicon gap with the us in 10 yrs without resorting to industrial espionage, coercion and throwing money.

 

 

In short

 

AAA: I want to be technological leader 

 

USA enter the chatroom

China enter the chatroom

India enter the chatroom

Japan enter the chatroom

 

AAA left the chatroom

[The_King]

3 minutes ago, Chestnut said:

 

King, u got buy those plant lights or not?

Yes got planbut I was hoping my new home got direct morning sunlight (my home I choose avoid western sun) to  focus on the area that I will place my plant on

 

 

I be using hydroponic system

[XianGe]

3 hours ago, meng.huat said:

Prospective PAP candidate Ivan Lim should clarify comments on his conduct, says Heng Swee Keat

The People's Action Party's (PAP) prospective new candidate Ivan Lim should come out to clarify comments made about his conduct during his time in National Service, said Deputy Prime Minister Heng Swee Keat on Saturday (Jun 27).

He was responding to questions by reporters after the PAP's morning walkabout at Teban Marketplace in West Coast GRC, where he spent over an hour speaking to residents. 

 

He was accompanied by Ms Foo Mee Har and Minister for Communications and Information S Iswaran, who were part of the PAP 2015 team in West Coast GRC.

 

“I have emphasised that character and integrity are important in our candidates, and if there are any complaints, it should be properly verified,” said Mr Heng.

 

“I would like to see Ivan himself coming out to clarify these comments so that we can hear both sides of the story.”

 

Mr Heng also said that he wanted to reach out to those people who have made comments and who have identified themselves to get a “better understanding” of the situation.

 

“It’s very important for us to address this clearly, because we expect all our candidates to be able to stand up and to be able to address any concerns that may be raised about them,” he said.

“The key is whether the individual has the heart to serve all Singaporeans.”

 

Mr Lim, a 42-year-old general manager with Keppel Offshore and Marine, has been in the spotlight after comments were made on social media criticising his behaviour as an officer during National Service.

 

They have accused him of lacking compassion and being arrogant and elitist.

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/ivan-lim-pap-candidate-comments-heng-swee-keat-12875940

 

 

ah heng telling ivan to clarify himself. ownself defend ownself.

Ivan has rejected interviews by mainstream media.

 

anyway, if PAP wants to put ivan in jurong GRC, Sinkies will be faced with a very tough choice.

voting in this asshole with Tharman or boot him and Tharman out of the cabinet.

 

Strategy to help him in lo... Sb70 has lots of love for T... Anyway it really doesn't help for him to come out and apologize cos only sb70 will take it in

[meng.huat]

9 minutes ago, XianGe said:

 

Strategy to help him in lo... Sb70 has lots of love for T... Anyway it really doesn't help for him to come out and apologize cos only sb70 will take it in

 

ivan released statement through PAP... he say people cyber bully his mother wor.... as expected...

 

and the online complains are other people's perspective. not his problem.

 

On 6/26/2020 at 2:25 PM, meng.huat said:

more questions posted on his fb

 

https://www.facebook.com/IvanLimSC

 

in b4 PAP claims cyber bullying

 

[XianGe]

15 minutes ago, meng.huat said:

 

ivan released statement through PAP... he say people cyber bully his mother wor.... as expected...

 

and the online complains are other people's perspective. not his problem.

 

 

Songbo sinkies...  He is staying on course to be mp... 

[ManOfTheHour]

Wow the allegations keep coming in. Serious ones too. Let’s wait for more proof n “testimonials”

[Chestnut]

[ManOfTheHour]

18 minutes ago, Chestnut said:

Anyone who believes is mentally retarded

[Cynical Ape]

He's got a punchable face, for real.  

[XianGe]

1 hour ago, ManOfTheHour said:

Anyone who believes is mentally retarded

Operation confusion by iBs.. 

[Chestnut]

[Cynical Ape]

wols here....but I just signed the online petition to remove this bugger!  

 

[Cynical Ape]

Link to petition here:

 

https://www.change.org/p/people-s-action-party-petition-to-remove-ivan-lim-from-pap

 

[Cynical Ape]

Srsly, people have had enuff of these paper tigers.

[socrates469bc]

8 hours ago, meng.huat said:

ah heng telling ivan to clarify himself. ownself defend ownself.

Ivan has rejected interviews by mainstream media.

 

anyway, if PAP wants to put ivan in jurong GRC, Sinkies will be faced with a very tough choice.

voting in this asshole with Tharman or boot him and Tharman out of the cabinet.

 

let jurong grc do a george yeo and that will really kick some sense into pappy.

 

but then again, jurong is consistently a sb70 pappy area and with a popular minister, will be hard to dislodge.

 

if i m a oppo strategist, i will target those grcs with unpopular ministers and focused on attacking their performance.

 

i think there r ard 2-3 grcs with a slim chance of winning.

 

bishan, tanjong pagar and marsiling.

 

the most important oppo tactic in any election is to encourage out all the dulan votes.

 

but i dont see the oppo doing this actively.

 

 

[socrates469bc]

2 minutes ago, Cynical Ape said:

Srsly, people have had enuff of these paper tigers.

 

but unfortunately, oppo doesnt have a good electioneering strategist.

 

haiz.............

 

 

[XianGe]

7 minutes ago, socrates469bc said:

 

but unfortunately, oppo doesnt have a good electioneering strategist.

 

haiz.............

 

 

No budget... 

[Cynical Ape]

12 minutes ago, socrates469bc said:

 

but unfortunately, oppo doesnt have a good electioneering strategist.

 

haiz.............

 

 

 

Even with good electioneering strategist oso hard to beat gerrymandering la. The Oppies don't draw election boundaries, they do.