Singapore General Election 2020: 10 July 2020 (Friday)

[Cynical Ape]

Balek kampung, Victor. 

[ManOfTheHour]

Watch lim tean now. Damn power

[Homelander]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/ge2020-sdp-covid19-false-baseless-allegations-lawrence-wong-12902926

 

law wong sibei power...taiji the blame to doctors...wtf

[Cynical Ape]

Any chances opposition candidates will come read this thread? 

 

[Cynical Ape]

I'm not sure if any of them have mentioned or critic the nationwide surveillance/spying thats been going on for years. 

Edited July 5, 2020 by Cynical Ape

[Chestnut]

Singapore GE2020: PSP's Tan Cheng Bock proposes televised Covid-19 debate with Chan Chun Sing

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/singapore-ge2020-psps-tan-cheng-bock-proposes-televised-covid-19-debate-with-chan-chun-sing

 

SINGAPORE - Progress Singapore Party (PSP) chief, Dr Tan Cheng Bock, on Sunday (July 5) proposed a televised debate on the Covid-19 response - with him and Singapore Democratic Party chairman Paul Tambyah facing off against Trade and Industry Minister Chan Chun Sing and Health Minister Gan Kim Yong.

Speaking to the media during a walkabout in Nee Soon GRC with the PSP team, he said: "Paul and I, we are prepared to go on TV and debate on this. So if he is prepared, Chan Chun Sing can bring the health minister. And I will go along with Paul. Then we go on national TV, and we will debate this thing out."

Dr Tan, who is contesting West Coast GRC, was responding to remarks from Mr Chan that the opposition had thus far left out management of the crisis from their manifestos and discussions.

 

"I think I read somewhere that he told the media.. that we won't be able to help you in Covid-19 management. That shouldn't be. We will challenge it," said Dr Tan.

He declined, however, to share what plans he would bring up if the debate were to take place.

"No point telling you. Let's have a national debate. We go on television... So I think that will settle everything. You all will see whether we have the competency, whether we have the knowledge of this Covid-19... If they (the debate) don't take place, then we give you our answer. They (the PAP) must give the response, because we didn't initiate it, they initiated it, we responded that's all."

 

Mr Chan, in a Facebook post, said Dr Tan should talk about his plans now.

 

“Why not present their plans to the voters now on how they intend to help Singapore and Singaporeans get through this most serious health and economic crisis in decades? Am sure voters will want to know before polling day to make a decision,” he wrote.

On Sunday, the PSP chief said that Dr Tambyah, who is contesting Bukit Panjang SMC, and himself are good friends and experienced in the medical field.

 

"He is an infectious disease specialist. I'm an old doctor with a lot of knowledge on infection, because during my time, infectious disease was very common. So how we managed that time, there's nothing very special but the basic fundamental principles we carried with us. So we can impart all these knowledge to them," said Dr Tan.

 

Dr Tan on Sunday also repeated his criticisms of the timing of the general election.

"In the first instance, I already disagreed with holding the election now. This is an irresponsible act of government. 

"If they really consider that the election is safe, I tell you, they shouldn't have all these social distancing rules and so on. You're putting all at risk. And I'm really worried."

Dr Tan added that it has been difficult for parties to maintain safe distancing while on walkabouts.

"We try but we can't help it, people just come to you. So you know the situation is going to happen in any election like this," he said.

"I have six general elections I took part in, and one presidential election, and now. When there's an election, it's very difficult to say 'You stand here, you stand there', because the spirit and the determination to see who is talking is natural.

 

On Sunday, PSP Nee Soon GRC team member Bradley Bowyer also responded to criticism by Law and Home Affairs Minister K. Shanmugam, on his proposal to give residents jobs as town council cleaners. Mr Shanmugam had said: "It's very clear that they have no plans. And when asked, Mr Bowyer says, oh, we will give more jobs as cleaners to Singaporeans in the town council. So those are his plans for Nee Soon. Well and good. But I personally think that Nee Soon residents deserve better."

Mr Bowyer said: "If you look at what I said in our e-rally last night, we have a big structural problem in the way that we run our workforce. Every society has people from every level. We're not all rocket scientists and we can't turn every Singaporean into a clone of an ideal scholar."

He said that what has gone wrong is that the presence of foreign workers here has caused "Singaporeans who used to build our roads, build our buildings, clean our houses, do our gardening" to be underemployed or unemployed.

 

"Mr Shanmugam can have his opinions as to what he thinks of little parts of it, but I look at the big picture and PSP looks at the big picture," said Mr Bowyer.

 

He said that what has gone wrong is that the presence of foreign workers here has caused "Singaporeans who used to build our roads, build our buildings, clean our houses, do our gardening" to be underemployed or unemployed.

"Mr Shanmugam can have his opinions as to what he thinks of little parts of it, but I look at the big picture and PSP looks at the big picture," said Mr Bowyer.

[socrates469bc]

1 hour ago, Chestnut said:

Singapore GE2020: PSP's Tan Cheng Bock proposes televised Covid-19 debate with Chan Chun Sing

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/singapore-ge2020-psps-tan-cheng-bock-proposes-televised-covid-19-debate-with-chan-chun-sing

 

 

do u think pappy has the mental capability to do the debate?????

 

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/singapore-invokes-fakenews-law-defend-migrant-workers-tests

 

Edited July 6, 2020 by socrates469bc

[ManOfTheHour]

Everyday PAP come across as out of touch petty elite wannabes with no ability and accountability
 

[socrates469bc]

5 minutes ago, ManOfTheHour said:

Everyday PAP come across as out of touch petty elite wannabes with no ability and accountability
 

 

if u heard the medical advice they gave to fws' employers, u really wonder if moh is staffed by professional medical loctors or not.

 

nb, gps r not equipped to do wuhan testing and they will just treat it as normal flu on first visit.

 

by the 5th day of no recovery,, most likely the sick mangala will have full-blown wuhan.

[XianGe]

11 hours ago, Cynical Ape said:

Any chances opposition candidates will come read this thread? 

 

 

More likely the white ib

[XianGe]

1 hour ago, Chestnut said:

Singapore GE2020: PSP's Tan Cheng Bock proposes televised Covid-19 debate with Chan Chun Sing

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/singapore-ge2020-psps-tan-cheng-bock-proposes-televised-covid-19-debate-with-chan-chun-sing

 

SINGAPORE - Progress Singapore Party (PSP) chief, Dr Tan Cheng Bock, on Sunday (July 5) proposed a televised debate on the Covid-19 response - with him and Singapore Democratic Party chairman Paul Tambyah facing off against Trade and Industry Minister Chan Chun Sing and Health Minister Gan Kim Yong.

Speaking to the media during a walkabout in Nee Soon GRC with the PSP team, he said: "Paul and I, we are prepared to go on TV and debate on this. So if he is prepared, Chan Chun Sing can bring the health minister. And I will go along with Paul. Then we go on national TV, and we will debate this thing out."

Dr Tan, who is contesting West Coast GRC, was responding to remarks from Mr Chan that the opposition had thus far left out management of the crisis from their manifestos and discussions.

 

"I think I read somewhere that he told the media.. that we won't be able to help you in Covid-19 management. That shouldn't be. We will challenge it," said Dr Tan.

He declined, however, to share what plans he would bring up if the debate were to take place.

"No point telling you. Let's have a national debate. We go on television... So I think that will settle everything. You all will see whether we have the competency, whether we have the knowledge of this Covid-19... If they (the debate) don't take place, then we give you our answer. They (the PAP) must give the response, because we didn't initiate it, they initiated it, we responded that's all."

 

Mr Chan, in a Facebook post, said Dr Tan should talk about his plans now.

 

“Why not present their plans to the voters now on how they intend to help Singapore and Singaporeans get through this most serious health and economic crisis in decades? Am sure voters will want to know before polling day to make a decision,” he wrote.

On Sunday, the PSP chief said that Dr Tambyah, who is contesting Bukit Panjang SMC, and himself are good friends and experienced in the medical field.

 

"He is an infectious disease specialist. I'm an old doctor with a lot of knowledge on infection, because during my time, infectious disease was very common. So how we managed that time, there's nothing very special but the basic fundamental principles we carried with us. So we can impart all these knowledge to them," said Dr Tan.

 

Dr Tan on Sunday also repeated his criticisms of the timing of the general election.

"In the first instance, I already disagreed with holding the election now. This is an irresponsible act of government. 

"If they really consider that the election is safe, I tell you, they shouldn't have all these social distancing rules and so on. You're putting all at risk. And I'm really worried."

Dr Tan added that it has been difficult for parties to maintain safe distancing while on walkabouts.

"We try but we can't help it, people just come to you. So you know the situation is going to happen in any election like this," he said.

"I have six general elections I took part in, and one presidential election, and now. When there's an election, it's very difficult to say 'You stand here, you stand there', because the spirit and the determination to see who is talking is natural.

 

On Sunday, PSP Nee Soon GRC team member Bradley Bowyer also responded to criticism by Law and Home Affairs Minister K. Shanmugam, on his proposal to give residents jobs as town council cleaners. Mr Shanmugam had said: "It's very clear that they have no plans. And when asked, Mr Bowyer says, oh, we will give more jobs as cleaners to Singaporeans in the town council. So those are his plans for Nee Soon. Well and good. But I personally think that Nee Soon residents deserve better."

Mr Bowyer said: "If you look at what I said in our e-rally last night, we have a big structural problem in the way that we run our workforce. Every society has people from every level. We're not all rocket scientists and we can't turn every Singaporean into a clone of an ideal scholar."

He said that what has gone wrong is that the presence of foreign workers here has caused "Singaporeans who used to build our roads, build our buildings, clean our houses, do our gardening" to be underemployed or unemployed.

 

"Mr Shanmugam can have his opinions as to what he thinks of little parts of it, but I look at the big picture and PSP looks at the big picture," said Mr Bowyer.

 

He said that what has gone wrong is that the presence of foreign workers here has caused "Singaporeans who used to build our roads, build our buildings, clean our houses, do our gardening" to be underemployed or unemployed.

"Mr Shanmugam can have his opinions as to what he thinks of little parts of it, but I look at the big picture and PSP looks at the big picture," said Mr Bowyer.

Ah Bock so daring

[XianGe]

8 minutes ago, socrates469bc said:

 

if u heard the medical advice they gave to fws' employers, u really wonder if moh is staffed by professional medical loctors or not.

 

nb, gps r not equipped to do wuhan testing and they will just treat it as normal flu on first visit.

 

by the 5th day of no recovery,, most likely the sick mangala will have full-blown wuhan.

And his bunk mates would've kenna his sharing as well

[ODACHEK]

Biggest mistakes PAP made are CB & Phase 2, period.

[aaur4man]

19 minutes ago, ODACHEK said:

Biggest mistakes PAP made are CB & Phase 2, period.

 

How so?

[Chestnut]

cinemas are opening on 13 july

 

[XianGe]

1 minute ago, Chestnut said:

cinemas are opening on 13 july

 

Yes..  still waiting for ktv.. but it will be hardest...

[Chestnut]

1 minute ago, XianGe said:

Yes..  still waiting for ktv.. but it will be hardest...

 

community cases rise to 18 yesterday. not sure how next few days will be

[ODACHEK]

15 minutes ago, aaur4man said:

 

How so?

Basically cannotch do ani ting, PAP wan face....so...expected to celebrate SG50 in August.

 

 

[XianGe]

16 minutes ago, Chestnut said:

 

community cases rise to 18 yesterday. not sure how next few days will be

Went paya lebar for a walk and can understand y community will increase... Not much chance for 1m distancing... Full of foreign nationals not practicing social distancing....

Edited July 6, 2020 by XianGe

[socrates469bc]

1 hour ago, XianGe said:

 

More likely the white ib

 

the pappy brigades r working extra hard this week after they failed to protect ivan.

 

now they r on full throttle to sing the praises of aerobic and crybaby to prevent a domino effect.

[Standing Birdy]

Interesting psychology article

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Conservative leaders must convince followers of two things. First, the world we live in is full of threats. Second, supporting that leader is the only way of protecting themselves from the threats.

 

If the first goal is achieved, the second is relatively simple. After all, if some politician is the only one who emphasized a specific threat, then it makes sense that they would be the only one with an answer.

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/201903/why-do-some-poor-people-vote-against-their-interests

 

Why Do Some Poor People Vote Against their Interests?

If head and heart are at odds, emotion often wins out.

Posted Mar 14, 2019

 

When poor people put their faith in conservative leadership, one might ask why they trust representatives of a wealthy owner class that will likely never include them. Yet there is a rationale based on the emotion of fear.

The Psychology of Living in a Dangerous World

When young mammals mature in a place with high exposure to predators, they adjust their behavior. They spend more time in safe places, such as burrows, and less time wandering about above ground. With less time exploring their environment they have fewer opportunities for brain-enriching experiences. As a result, they are less good at adapting to change (1).

Lab researchers found that these effects were mediated by stress hormones associated with frightening experiences such as the approach of a predator.

Most children do not have to worry about predators but they vary greatly both in the objective realities of their lives, such as the use of corporal punishment by parents, and their subjective responses to frightening experiences. They are also influenced by adult perceptions of danger in their local community.

 

Conservatism and Fearfulness

Political conservatives (defined as high scorers on a right-wing authoritarianism scale) experience fear more intensely. This propensity is related to brain anatomy and physiology. Sensitivity to fear probably reflects a combination of influences from genetics and childhood experiences.

 

Whatever the causes, signs of conservative leanings are present early in childhood before children are engaged in political issues. Children who are sticklers for the rules in games with other children likely go on to vote for conservative leaders (2,3). In other respects, they tend to be rather rigid in their behavior and find it difficult to make new friends.

 

Such fear of the unpredictable reflects a sensitivity to danger mediated by limbic-system activation. This profile probably reflects mammalian adaptations to actual risks in the environment (4).

Children growing up in extreme poverty, or exposed to abusive parents also grow up believing, for very good reason, that their lives are risky and that caution is warranted.

Poverty and Insecurity

If conservatives generally believe that the world is a dangerous place regardless of their individual experiences, those raised in poverty have a very good reason for the same belief rooted in their own lives.

Poverty often implies greater health problems, violence, the early death of a close relative, high crime risk, food insecurity, drug addiction, or lack of adequate health care.

 

Belief in a dangerous world is connected to various conservative policies. A strong military is supported so as to counter international threats. Because there are very bad criminals out there, there is a need for severe penalties, up to a death sentence, to keep them out of circulation.

Similarly, corporal punishment is needed to socialize children in obedience to authority. Just as other nations harbor a great deal of ill will, immigrants must be treated with suspicion and held at arm's length as potential sources of crime and disease. It is important to amass as much wealth as possible because the future is uncertain and you cannot rely on the government to solve your economic problems in a dog-eat-dog world.

 

To the extent that the fear-based sensibility of poor people overlaps with that of conservatives, we can expect their political views to coincide also. This means that playing on popular fears and ethnic tensions is good for conservatives in elections.

According to a conservative sensibility, the only source of reliable aid and support in difficult times is our own family. So we must respect our elders and do everything we can to honor them and preserve their traditions, including their religious beliefs.

The Religious Nexus

Just as there is a marked intersection between the emotive aspects of conservatism and those of being raised under stressful conditions, there is also an overlap between both and religion.

One way of describing this connection is to think about religion as a mechanism for coping with fear and uncertainty about what the future holds — as developed in my earlier widely read post, “Why Atheism Will Replace Religion.”

 

The central idea is that as countries develop, residents enjoy a better quality of life with improved health and life expectancy and are more secure about what the future holds for them (i.e., have existential security), In societies like our own, that are bedeviled by sharp income inequality, there is less existential security and religion has a stronger hold.

 

Along with love of family and tradition, and relative lack of openness to new people and ideas, conservatives focus on religion as a means of preserving their way of life and resisting change.

It is also a way of drawing in poor people and thereby inducing them to vote for policies that go against their economic interests or otherwise reduce their quality of life. For example, many poorer Americans voted for a party that promised to take away their health care.

How does one get people to vote against themselves? The answer is mostly by an appeal to various kinds of fear, including the fear of God.

Economic Self-Interest

Conservative leaders must convince followers of two things. First, the world we live in is full of threats. Second, supporting that leader is the only way of protecting themselves from the threats.

 

If the first goal is achieved, the second is relatively simple. After all, if some politician is the only one who emphasized a specific threat, then it makes sense that they would be the only one with an answer.

The list of potential threats is long, ranging from foreign military threats to domestic terrorism, exaggerated fears of minorities and immigrants, pluralism, disease, violent crime, or government overreach.

 

Conservatives also play on fears that their religion is under threat and this ploy succeeded in cases as different as the US South and Putin's Russia. If religion is a bastion against many dangers, then anything that weakens it is threatening to the poor.

Conservative politicians who are otherwise highly secular in their behavior and sensibility fake piety in order to get elected and promote the causes of right-wing religious extremists to maintain support.

 

Such tactics are highly effective and may induce poor people to vote against their economic self-interest and in favor of a wealthy elite that becomes wealthier by exploiting them.

[ManOfTheHour]

Forget to switch account?

 

[Cynical Ape]

3 hours ago, XianGe said:

 

More likely the white ib

 

NK forum are swarmed by them atm, lackeys trying to control the narrative for their miw masters....

[ODACHEK]

31 minutes ago, ManOfTheHour said:

Forget to switch account?

 

Din noe she gotch twin sister with same FB name...

[Chestnut]

10 minutes ago, Cynical Ape said:

 

NK forum are swarmed by them atm, lackeys trying to control the narrative for their miw masters....

 

ytd got miw knock our door