Movie - The Medium (2021)

[Standing Birdy]

10 hours ago, Huat Zai said:

Each sect has their own definition of that, my own knowledge of Buddhism is grossly limited, maybe @Standing Birdycan shed light on this

I'm not a scholar or buddism expert and can only speak from knowledge I have come across. 

 

There are many buddhist sutras, some of them were written in later times and may include ideas to make them more relatable or to gain more followers. 

Several sutras mention non-human beings like gandharva, yaksha, asura, naga etc. Most of them are what people would consider celestial beings, nagaraja means dragon king. They are normally mentioned as part of the audience listening to whatever buddha is saying at that moment, and not actively doing stuff. I think the objective is to make you think "if the celestial beings are listening, I'd better pay attention."

 

Ghosts are rarely mentioned but I know of a theravada sutra talking about them  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petavatthu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preta

There is some info on Yama king of hell at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yama_(Buddhism)

 

As I understand it, mahayana buddhism considers ghosts as delusions. There is no hell except when people make their own hell. It is difficult to reconcile because I have felt and seen things. Or maybe they were imaginations of my deluded mind.

 

But mahayana is considered a later addition so the theravada sutras may be more accurate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahayana#Arguments_for_authenticity  People will believe what they want to believe and do what makes them feel safe or good.

 

As to why the hell deities allow ghosts to wreak havoc, maybe they are like the police. They only act when people make a report. And then it take time for them to show up. They may even run away if they ghosts are too strong or too numerous, like at the Little India riot

[Bigbird]

12 hours ago, Standing Birdy said:

I'm not a scholar or buddism expert and can only speak from knowledge I have come across. 

 

There are many buddhist sutras, some of them were written in later times and may include ideas to make them more relatable or to gain more followers. 

Several sutras mention non-human beings like gandharva, yaksha, asura, naga etc. Most of them are what people would consider celestial beings, nagaraja means dragon king. They are normally mentioned as part of the audience listening to whatever buddha is saying at that moment, and not actively doing stuff. I think the objective is to make you think "if the celestial beings are listening, I'd better pay attention."

 

Ghosts are rarely mentioned but I know of a theravada sutra talking about them  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petavatthu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preta

There is some info on Yama king of hell at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yama_(Buddhism)

 

As I understand it, mahayana buddhism considers ghosts as delusions. There is no hell except when people make their own hell. It is difficult to reconcile because I have felt and seen things. Or maybe they were imaginations of my deluded mind.

 

But mahayana is considered a later addition so the theravada sutras may be more accurate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahayana#Arguments_for_authenticity  People will believe what they want to believe and do what makes them feel safe or good.

 

As to why the hell deities allow ghosts to wreak havoc, maybe they are like the police. They only act when people make a report. And then it take time for them to show up. They may even run away if they ghosts are too strong or too numerous, like at the Little India riot

 

Thanks for your informative reply.   

 

So far, i have been asking around about the wondering spirits. But no one can give me a convincing answer.  

 

I dont expect laymen to have the answer.  Even those religious persons, also gives me the "i also dont know" responses!  

[Huat Zai]

2 minutes ago, Bigbird said:

 

Thanks for your informative reply.   

 

So far, i have been asking around about the wondering spirits. But no one can give me a convincing answer.  

 

I dont expect laymen to have the answer.  Even those religious persons, also gives me the "i also dont know" responses!  

You can always practice necromancy and ask them yourself, never found the need myself, but pretty sure it's possible.

[Bigbird]

6 minutes ago, Huat Zai said:

You can always practice necromancy and ask them yourself, never found the need myself, but pretty sure it's possible.

 

I always hear those religious folks says when we die we will arrive at the pearly gate and get judge.  Like this movie.  

https://mugentech.net/index.php?/topic/13158-what-do-u-think-about-this-movie/

 

But i always see those spirits lingering around, even in religious centers!

 

So what happened to the "Ghost-chatchers"?   

Edited October 27, 2021 by Bigbird

[Huat Zai]

11 minutes ago, Bigbird said:

 

I always hear those religious folks says when we die we will arrive at the pearly gate and get judge.  Like this movie.  

https://mugentech.net/index.php?/topic/13158-what-do-u-think-about-this-movie/

 

But i always see those spirits lingering around, even in religious centers!

 

So what happened to the "Ghost-chatchers"?   

All I can say is Nothing is true. Everything is Permitted

[Standing Birdy]

9 hours ago, Bigbird said:

 

Thanks for your informative reply.   

 

So far, i have been asking around about the wondering spirits. But no one can give me a convincing answer.  

 

I dont expect laymen to have the answer.  Even those religious persons, also gives me the "i also dont know" responses!  

I have heard some theories about this from people.

Yin yang theory where they attract and oppose each other. Religious places are strong yang so strong yin appears.

The spirits are trying to get closer to god/heaven but the closest they can get is the religious place because they are stuck on earth

Some buddhists believe the spirits are there to listen to sutras being chanted or taught so they can attain enlightenment. Some buddhists will play recordings of sutras on loop on a speaker while they go for walks around cemeteries.

 

Have you tried asking the Thai ajahns? They might know more since there is a tradition of dealing with ghosts.

[Bigbird]

14 hours ago, Standing Birdy said:

I have heard some theories about this from people.

Yin yang theory where they attract and oppose each other. Religious places are strong yang so strong yin appears.

The spirits are trying to get closer to god/heaven but the closest they can get is the religious place because they are stuck on earth

Some buddhists believe the spirits are there to listen to sutras being chanted or taught so they can attain enlightenment. Some buddhists will play recordings of sutras on loop on a speaker while they go for walks around cemeteries.

 

Have you tried asking the Thai ajahns? They might know more since there is a tradition of dealing with ghosts.

 

Yes like human when we are "in trouble" or feeling "low" in life.  People turn to religion for "help" eg "tio Beh Pioy/Toto/4D". They "talk" to  God/Buddha/Allah/etc.... to get help to solve their problems!  

 

So in the after life, these spirits do the same.

 

Places of Vices also have plenty of different elements....    

[Standing Birdy]

@BigbirdI saw this discussion at NK. You might find it interesting.  https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/how-do-u-detect-if-got-evil-spirit-entity-presence-in-the-house.6643751/page-20 

[chamfer]

42 minutes ago, Standing Birdy said:

@BigbirdI saw this discussion at NK. You might find it interesting.  https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/how-do-u-detect-if-got-evil-spirit-entity-presence-in-the-house.6643751/page-20 

I daw this too. Quite interesting but me lurker there no account to discuss

[Bigbird]

On 11/20/2021 at 10:55 AM, Standing Birdy said:

@BigbirdI saw this discussion at NK. You might find it interesting.  https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/how-do-u-detect-if-got-evil-spirit-entity-presence-in-the-house.6643751/page-20 

 

Wah.... Thanks!! 

[chamfer]

 

[Bigbird]

On 1/26/2022 at 8:00 PM, chamfer said:

 

 

Wahhh.......  Interesting!

 

Although i only understood 40% of what it said!